DUST Search - why is everyone upset about light weapon heavies?

Soldiersaint wrote:

D legendary hero wrote:

it reveals 3 things:

*light weapons are clearly over powered.

*heavy weapons are clearly underpowered.

*most people complaining are clearly assult suit users

CCP promoted this in an E3 video having a heavy snipe. Each suit has its advantages and disadvantages.
but what possible explanation could their be for a heavy not holding a light weapon?

scouts, and mediums can't use heavy weapons because they are TOO HEAVY" but how can a heavy suit not use light weapons because their too light... that doesn't eveen make sense.

RR heavies are not OP RR are OP. (and most are terrible players).
many assault medium frames use RR, PR, and Scr as a crutch, I normally see them just charging in using no cover or tactics.

so when a heavy with a light weapon charges at a medium with a light weapon neither are using tactics both are using a crutch, the one wiht more ehp will win. both = scrubs

So im a bad player because i love a weapon that fits my playstyle? well thats the world we live in i suppose.


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D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1599	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:03:00 - [1] - Quote it reveals 3 things: light weapons are clearly over powered. heavy weapons are clearly underpowered. *most people complaining are clearly assult suit users CCP promoted this in an E3 video having a heavy snipe. Each suit has its advantages and disadvantages. but what possible explanation could their be for a heavy not holding a light weapon? scouts, and mediums can't use heavy weapons because they are TOO HEAVY" but how can a heavy suit not use light weapons because their too light... that doesn't eveen make sense. RR heavies are not OP RR are OP. (and most are terrible players). many assault medium frames use RR, PR, and Scr as a crutch, I normally see them just charging in using no cover or tactics. so when a heavy with a light weapon charges at a medium with a light weapon neither are using tactics both are using a crutch, the one wiht more ehp will win. both = scrubs Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1603	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:55:00 - [2] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: I agree on many of your points excpt rr being cruches and op I am a caldari purist and love my rail rifle as it allows me to engauge at longer distances but if a cr or scr catches me in cqc well im **** mainly due to the spool up and slow rof. I think that light wepons are faily well balanced but the heavy wepons need some tweeking as well as introducing new heavy wepons well, let me clarify. I am minmatar. RR are OP only because of their CQC capabilities** if they had their hipfire spread wider they would be perfectly fine. I never supported the "nerf RR" damage train people hopped on. the damage was fine, but its ability to be sucessful in cqc made it OP. damage mods are really what throw everything conventional out the window. However, simply increasing the PG on damage mods would solve that. you get more power but can't stack as many or tank as hard. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1605	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:07:00 - [3] - Quote Christiphoros von Poe wrote: I think that it is a viable tactic. But I do still get annoyed when a Standard RR wielding militia heavy can outlast my proto Gallente assault suit in a firefight. But that's Dust. I am currently trying to sneak up on them from behind but if I get spotted it's usually over. The RR just melts my suit like butter. Or this could be because I am bad at Dust, which I have come to terms with. mostly because PR are bad on Armor, and galente suits have low shields. RR is great on armor, heavy suit has lots of armor. in a head on encounter you cannot win. you must flank, grenade, and weaken him. only than can you assure victory. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1607	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:23:00 - [4] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: FYI, some heavies don't have heavy weapon slots, but rather 2 light weapon slots. This isn't chromosome. They're called sentinels. no one gives a **** about commandos. they are gmped medium frames basically, just as slow as a heavy but same ehp as a meidum. stop being a smart @ss Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1618	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:04:00 - [5] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: D legendary hero wrote: it reveals 3 things: light weapons are clearly over powered. heavy weapons are clearly underpowered. *most people complaining are clearly assult suit users CCP promoted this in an E3 video having a heavy snipe. Each suit has its advantages and disadvantages. but what possible explanation could their be for a heavy not holding a light weapon? scouts, and mediums can't use heavy weapons because they are TOO HEAVY" but how can a heavy suit not use light weapons because their too light... that doesn't eveen make sense. RR heavies are not OP RR are OP. (and most are terrible players). many assault medium frames use RR, PR, and Scr as a crutch, I normally see them just charging in using no cover or tactics. so when a heavy with a light weapon charges at a medium with a light weapon neither are using tactics both are using a crutch, the one wiht more ehp will win. both = scrubs So im a bad player because i love a weapon that fits my playstyle? well thats the world we live in i suppose. no im saying that a RR heavy with no skill vs a RR medium with no skill = medium suit always loses. however, Rr heavy with no skill < RR medium suit with skill RR heavy with skill > Rr medium suit with no skill. heavy suit has a bigger hit box and is slower. so he is easy to hit and dodge. if a medium frame charges right at you in a heavy suit they deserve to die. Plus, all the heavy weapons suck vs light weapons (ARs) so... why use something gimped? Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1631	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:33:00 - [6] - Quote Mordecai Snake wrote: CPU and PG suggests weapons and suits are connected somehow, so just say light weapons are incompatible with heavy and sentinel suits. 1. CCP clearly doesn't want to pigeon hole every suit except assault variants. even though each suit has its strengths, ultimately what you put on it is up to the player. the only reason medium frames can't use heavy weapons is because a. too heavy, which just makes sense and b. defeats the point to a heavy suit, because can you immagine scouts and mediums running around with forguns and HMGs? 2. heavy weapons suck and have a history of getting nerfed. so basically you want heavies to get steamrolled, presenting little to no resistance to assault suits. essentially assault users want heavies to: camp one object be to slow to react to any assult use weakened weapons that present no threat be bullet sponges with marginally more ehp this is basically what the heavy was from 1.1 up until now. or lest we forget that only in 1.6 did heavies have their turn speed adjusted. essentially, the only ways heavies can fight back is by using light weapons because LIGHT WEAPONS > HEAVY WEAPONS. Scr, CR, RR, PR > HMG. why would you use an HMG if you could grab any AR? I mean its not like medium frams run around using LR, plasma cannons, and MD, 90% use RR, Scr, CR, and RR. and for good reason they are the best anti-personel weapons in the game. saying that Heavies should only use heavy weapons is the same as saying: -assault suits should only use light weapons -logi's should only use equipment and side arms -scouts should only use side arms. does that make sense? obviously not. so, neither does heavy using only heavy weapons. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1631	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:34:00 - [7] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Its frustrating when you literally dance all over a guy for 8 seconds and still lose without missing. But op ide say no. I got advanced suits that have zero problem with that. Regardless: cant win them all. its frustrating when your firing at someone and they are dancing all around you for 8 seconds. it goes both ways and is annoying for each. the best part is that you may die after those 8 seconds (or not), but the heavy is left with what 100armor? Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1633	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:25:00 - [8] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: Heavies with light weapons aren't a problem. Sure, they have a lots of EHP, but they are really slow which can be used to your advantage. Now, if there was a weapon that dealt top damage, was usable at any range while also having the highest range, it would change things since suddenly their low movement speed and stamina wouldn't really matter. Such a weapon would, however, itself present a problem. Has anyone complained about heavies wielding shotguns, mass drivers, plasma launchers, laser rifles or plain old assault rifles? Or people equipping a second sidearm in their light weapon slot for that matter? good point^^ Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1666	Posted - 2014.02.21 17:25:00 - [9] - Quote final comments? Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça